Sunday, June 05, 2011

Going Commando







So, it's not like I think these are good or anything, BUT I think that if you're going to remove the hot pants from a Superman or a Batman, they need to have "pants" that are a different color than the upper body of their costume. A one-color bodysuit with a belt is a look that may work for Donna Troy, but it's not quite doing it for me on a Superman or a Batman. It's not a masculine look.

Anyway, this is the garbage I came up with. And don't get me wrong, I don't think I'm any better at this shit than the next guy. A quick look at my blog will show you just how limited my design vocabulary really is. Y'know, just so you don't get the wrong idea about my attitude in posting this stuff.

BUT, just because I can't come up with anything good doesn't mean my opinion on the matter is any less right. I'm totally right, you guys.

13 comments:

AlexCoxon said...

totally agree. i think the original idea behind the underpants was that it broke up the coloring of the bodysuit. changing the color of the suits lower half works just aswell as the very dated underpants. maybe even more....

KajusX said...

I always liked the underpants when they were more like boxing shorts— Daredevil, Captain America, Batman: Year 100, etc (What's funny is that in the case of DD and Cap their boxing shorts are the same color as their leggings).

Different colored pants and shirts can give off the vibe of guys wearing, well, pants and shirts. Jeans and a T tucked in. Costumes are always a bit more flamboyant, which is why underwear and leggings and such were acceptable. I don't know if you can have both. Characters either need to be dressed in work gear (New X-Men) or in spandex body suits with proper breaks in the color scheme. Eliminating Supe's red underoos and giving him a high, v-shaped collar doesn't qualify as a new costume. it's a very poor variation on a theme.

And while I don't think you've nailed these costumes down as the next iconic garb by which all other garb will be judged, I do think you're on the right track and your opinion is ridiculously valid.

Also, don't sell yourself short, Mr. Walker! Sure, the superhero template from Marvel and DC wears a sprayed-on costume, so we all are really just playing with the placement of lines and the colors those lines contain, but your Supergirl redesigns have been delightfully diverse in style and shape, and these two attempts are nothing to sneeze at.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you designed the Destroyer when you worked on that mini-series. His and Turret's designs were so good. Their costumes were iconic, they moved your eyes around, AND they appeared as a natural evolution of the character's Timely days (with the stripes and all that).

If DC is going to blast forth a whole new dawn for all their characters in a new world, one would hope that with that huge overhaul they would also allow the artists the freedom to overhaul the look of the characters as well. Eliminating their underwear outside their pants isn't going to cut it.

kris anka said...

ah yes man i love these.

i personally dont think jim lee's new batman design is too bad, probably works the best out of the all the new ones. the tech lines make sense on him

but that superman is just too much. way too much blue. and i hate that it looks like superboy in a blue costume, not superman.

id love to see you tackle the rest of the league if you had the time haha.

vitalik shu said...

great! love your solid drawings )))))

nlombardo said...

love the economy of your sketches

kevingirard said...

these are actually really solid designs. i'm usually not a fan of superman redesigns, but this is one i can stand behind.

good job sir.

Enrique Rivera said...

Ive allways thought you are one of the best designers in comics, specially when it comes to costumes. You tend to draw small,correct? so they are very iconic, no matter at what distance you are viewing them. You dont get caught up in all those useless details that dont add anything to the rest of the costume. Thanks for sharing these, hope to see more!

thestray said...

No lie, I thought of you when I saw some of the recent crappy reboot designs. I think you're one of the better superhero costume designers out there. Your Supergirl designs are ALL really great looks. I think you would've come up with much cooler stuff.

I've never really liked the whole underwear outside the pants thing either, eventhough it breaks up the costumes nicely, it's always looked corny to me. I think you came up with a nice solution. Not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than what DC has done.

Avi said...

completely agree with you ... here was my attempt at shortsless Superman from a Project Rooftop contest..
http://redmasker.deviantart.com/#/d1gghju

got 3rd place. Personally, I think the shorts are fine, it's a hallmark of Superhero costumes and the traditional look for these two characters.

Ryan Cody said...

I've never understood why Batman wears tights in the first place. He should wear military type cargo pants that have a bazillion little pockets for all his doodads.

Daybreak_ST said...

I love your superman design and agree completely. I just don't get what DC was thinking. If you get around to it I'd love your thoughts on my supergirl and super redesigns at my blog:

http://stephenscomicgenius.blogspot.com

jason quinones said...

that supes redesign is WAY better than jim lee's half assed new redesign.

good job!

MBirkhofer said...

Oh, right on the money.
Its been bothering me, what was wrong with the new supes belt/waist transition. and I couldn't put my finger on it.
But that's totally it.